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@stevelord @jwz @cstross i think he is also perfect example of being an expert in one field (startup/VC) does not automatically make you an expert in every field. E.g. he tweets about the war with the confidence of a Ukrainian general with regard to the accuracy of what he is saying.
Other than that, he is not Elon Level unhinged and all in all a reasonable follow
@winson @stevelord @cstross
Oh, he's an expert in "startup/VC"?
The thing is, being an "expert" in that topic means: I spent my parents' money on lottery tickets at the 7/11, then I won, and now I conduct seminars on how my Hollyfeld-level 7/11 technique is the best.
But that aside, HN ("the premiere VC comment section!") is one of the most societally toxic sites on the internet, just barely second to the various *chans. So that's a lot to answer for.
@jwz @winson @stevelord @cstross
People have been flogging the secrets to riches since forever, and there are always fools who don't ask the obvious question. https://xkcd.com/1827/
Are we reading the same HN? Just took a look. Mostly cool tech stuff. A guy showing off a site he built. CDC people getting sick at the toxic train crash. Big companies behaving badly. Comments frequently thoughtful and evidence-based.
I dipped a toe in the toxic waters of 4 Chan once. There is no comparison.
@tokensane @jwz @winson @stevelord You've obviously never considered the political context of HN. Why the startups all run on 20-somethings, not grownups with families and health issues. Why any comment even vanishingly skeptical about get-rich-quick capitalism gets downvoted into the abyss. The relentless reactionary political tilt there. The odd scarcity of women, minorities, anyone who isn't an all-American white tech-bro moving fast and breaking things for [their own] pleasure and profit.
@cstross @jwz @winson @stevelord I didn't say HN was perfect, just that it isn't comparable to a chan. Its like saying "California is almost as bad as North Korea because union-busting". Yes its dominated by tech bros. Yes it leans libertarian. And I've read PG's essay about why do a startup in your 20s. But equating that with the "f*** the n*****s" attitude of 4Chan is hyperbolic at best.
I dunno. Maybe I'm just allergic to hyperbole.
@tokensane
Insidious.
The word you are looking for is "insidious"
The *chans are screaming white nationalism from a vulgar streetcorner.
HN is insidiously positing a market framework for white nationalism from behind a mahogany desk.
See Patton Oswalt's elegant demonstration
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ah1b758tycA
@dnavinci @cstross @jwz @winson @stevelord
I took a listen to that link (normally I say "stuff Youtube, I can *read*"). I guess you're talking about the "2 guys" bit.
Can't speak of California, but I have a connection to the London startup scene. Diversity is a real goal for incubators there. Stuff like permabanning investors for creep, actively recruiting LGBT+, rejecting the "1st guy" as a bad investment. Diversity makes more money. Its not just lip service.
@tokensane
Yeah, I normally never take or give video links because I prefer to read as well. Comedy involves delivery.
London scene sounds nice. I can speak for the Finnish scene. There's little diversity, but the culture is such that LGBT+ issues would never be raised, because all sexuality in the workplace is completely compartmentalized.
Instead of embracing all, the model is to embrace absolutely none.
Hence the "socially cold" reputation.
@cstross @jwz @winson @stevelord
@tokensane
There's also a well-known US East vs U West phenomenon where "kind" and "nice/polite" are polarly expressed.
The gist is that NY will laugh at your misfortune and then help, while Californians will say nice things, but fail to help.
https://www.upworthy.com/nice-vs-kind-are-east-coast-people-better-than-west-coast-rp2
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@cstross @tokensane @jwz @winson @stevelord
I'm starting to find mastodon/fediverse filling my need for nerdy random news without the weird VC/ "entrepreneur" slant that HN has.. keep posting nerdy shit for me 
@tokensane @jwz @winson @stevelord @cstross oh my sweet summer child.