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@mattedgar Has the route changed and added stops or something? Even the indirect route via Manchester isn't great, I didn't think it used to take over an hour (although I guess that's to Pic rather than Vic)

@mattedgar Sounded daft enough I went to look it up...

Looks like a not so cunning plan to avoid paying out refunds, due to a late arrival in Birmingham, ever?

Alternatively... maybe there is a mandatory long stop for staff cup of tea and a bun at both Doncaster and Derby?

I'm now scared to look up how long it takes to get to/from the North from down here in Cornwall... given it takes an hour longer these days for just that bit up there

@mattedgar it’s a temporary (I think) diversion where you go from chesterfield down the Erewash valley route and then hoik a sharp right back up to Derby - with a reverse there. So your Chestefield to Derby time is a lot longer than usual…

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G59543/2023-06-08/detailed

Still, it still takes too long even when going the more direct route!

@mattedgar it's engineering works between Derby and Chesterfield. Details here: https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/engineering-works/amended-cross-country-east-midlands-railway-services-via-derby-from-saturday-27-may-until-sunday-11-june-20230527/

(You can go via Manchester quicker but you need to split your ticket)