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Donald Roy<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://zirk.us/@ChrisMayLA6" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>ChrisMayLA6</span></a></span> </p><p>They are there because groups like <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/labourtogether" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>labourtogether</span></a> and the heroically misnamed <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/labourtowin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>labourtowin</span></a> saw them as useful auxiliaries against their <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>corbynista</span></a> opponents - just as the latter earlier on had made use of some pretty unpleasant groupuscules themselves. History is littered with cases where supposed auxiliaries get out of hand - the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/freikorps" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>freikorps</span></a> in the early <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/weimarrepublic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>weimarrepublic</span></a> being the classic example!</p>
Donald Roy<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://zirk.us/@ChrisMayLA6" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>ChrisMayLA6</span></a></span> </p><p>And <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/stevecowan" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>stevecowan</span></a> the council leader there is not easy to dismiss as a <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>corbynista</span></a> since he predates the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/jeremycorbyn" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>jeremycorbyn</span></a> era!</p>
TallVenti<p>Are the <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>corbynista</span></a> really trying to spin this as a disastrous result for Labour?</p><p>Repeat after me<br>2017 bad result for labour <br>2019 bad result <br>2024 good result</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/corbyn" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>corbyn</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/labour" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>labour</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/ukpolitics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ukpolitics</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/generalelection" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>generalelection</span></a></p>
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.ie/@Colman" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Colman</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://zirk.us/@ChrisMayLA6" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>ChrisMayLA6</span></a></span> </p><p>The <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/UK" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>UK</span></a> has changed, &amp; if <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Labour" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Labour</span></a> doesn't change &amp; evolve with it, it will die. The <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/UK" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>UK</span></a> is a Social Democratic country, which lurched to the extremes with disastrous consequences.</p><p>We had the ERG/Tories on the far right, &amp; the <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbynista</span></a>/Momentum caucus on the far left. <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Starmer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Starmer</span></a> has steered Labour back to the centre, &amp; I suspect that the one nation Tories will inherit the <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/CONservatives" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CONservatives</span></a> after <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/GE2024" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>GE2024</span></a> &amp; steer them back to the centre too. </p><p>Thankfully Starmer got there 1st</p>
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.scot/@Wen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Wen</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.scot/@CloudyMrs" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>CloudyMrs</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://plasmatrap.com/@Theriac" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Theriac</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.scot/@soren" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>soren</span></a></span> </p><p>There's several reasons why this could happen, as with a recent case in <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Liverpool" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Liverpool</span></a>, where the proposed candidate was an anti <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Starmer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Starmer</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbynista</span></a> throwback to the <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Militant" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Militant</span></a> 80s. </p><p>The local CLP were at war with each other, &amp; almost fell apart until the PLP stepped in. The fella was a radical <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Socialist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Socialist</span></a> extremist, who was better suited to <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Momentum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Momentum</span></a>, the <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/NIP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>NIP</span></a> or <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Galloway" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Galloway</span></a>'s Workers Party.</p><p>Today's <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Labour" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Labour</span></a> is a <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Social" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Social</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Democrat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Democrat</span></a> party of <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Centrist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Centrist</span></a> doctrine.</p>
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodonapp.uk/@jackLondon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>jackLondon</span></a></span> </p><p>1/ The far left were at pains to point out that party membership plummeted from 580k to 350k after <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Cobyn" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Cobyn</span></a> departed.</p><p>I've had several discussions with <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbynista</span></a>'s who told me they left because of Centrist treachery within <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Labour" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Labour</span></a> against Corbyn, which cost him the election. 😳</p><p>Others cited the Forde Report, <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Starmer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Starmer</span></a> himself, the 10 pledges &amp; him deviating from Corbyn's losing 2019 manifesto, where previously he'd promised to stick with Corbynism if elected. 🤷🏾‍♂️</p>
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodonapp.uk/@jackLondon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>jackLondon</span></a></span> </p><p>We'll see. Corbyn's belched enough "I'm going nowhere" messages since the end of the <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Labour" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Labour</span></a> Party Conference, that I wouldn't put anything past those in the <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbynista</span></a> cult.</p><p>They're just too scared to sod off to another party permanently, so they can put their vision for the <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/UK" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>UK</span></a> to the electorate.</p>
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://dannythe.site/@gemma" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>gemma</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@KarenawokeKaren" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>KarenawokeKaren</span></a></span> </p><p>As I said, it wasn't so much his message, it was the messenger, but his far left <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbynista</span></a> disciples wouldn't listen.</p><p>Then <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/GE2019" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>GE2019</span></a> turned out just as predicted. 🤷🏾‍♂️</p>
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodonapp.uk/@Becksy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Becksy</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@OliverNoble" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>OliverNoble</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodonapp.uk/@jackLondon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>jackLondon</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@Healthcarer" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Healthcarer</span></a></span> </p><p>You need to get up to speed with this <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbynista</span></a> lot.</p><p>EVERY post I make regarding <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Labour" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Labour</span></a>, they infest it arguing the toss about <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Starmer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Starmer</span></a>. 🙄</p><p>As I say to one &amp; all, I reply on my posts which are all positive until the usual suspect slither up &amp; turn it into a "We hate Centrist Kieth Starmeroid".</p><p>I think it's they you need to be having a word with. If they behave around me, I'll behave around them.</p><p>Also, I DON'T respond to posts they make. 🤷🏾‍♂️</p>
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://dannythe.site/@gemma" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>gemma</span></a></span> </p><p>Outside of <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Corbyn" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbyn</span></a> &amp; his lukewarm response to <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Brexit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Brexit</span></a>, it wasn't his policies, it was Corbyn himself who was a turnoff for the electorate, but would his far left <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbynista</span></a> disciples listen?</p><p>No!</p><p>Corbyn led <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Labour" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Labour</span></a> to the biggest <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/GeneralElection" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>GeneralElection</span></a> annihilation in political history. </p><p>This is all the history books will show.</p>
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.coop/@MutualityWSDEs" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>MutualityWSDEs</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@OliverNoble" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>OliverNoble</span></a></span> </p><p>4/ Again, I'm no <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Starmer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Starmer</span></a> fanboy. I'd rather have <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Labour" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Labour</span></a> in power under a new leader, than in opposition under Starmer.</p><p>Can the far left <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbynista</span></a>'s say they felt the same about <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Corbyn" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbyn</span></a> when he was Labour leader? 🤔</p><p>For several years I've asked this question in respect to Corbyn, NOT ONE of his disciples has been honest enough to give me an answer, let alone an honest one.</p><p>Why can't they just move on &amp; leave Labour alone?</p>
Anthony Stevens 🇪🇺 🇯🇲 💙<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.coop/@MutualityWSDEs" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>MutualityWSDEs</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@OliverNoble" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>OliverNoble</span></a></span> </p><p>1/ I tell you what's counter-productive, I share news on the damage the <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Tories" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Tories</span></a> are doing to the <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/UK" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>UK</span></a>, &amp; the solutions <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Labour" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Labour</span></a> are proposing.</p><p>HOWEVER, EVERY SINGLE DAY, I get descended upon by <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbynista</span></a>'s who skip straight past the <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Tories" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Tories</span></a> who're causing the carnage, &amp; go straight for <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Starmer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Starmer</span></a>! 😳</p><p>I get it! You HATE the guy &amp; blame his &amp; other Labour MP's calls for a confirmatory referendum, on your Messiah Jezza losing badly in <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/GE2019" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>GE2019</span></a>.</p>
Oli<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.me.uk/@krans" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>krans</span></a></span> Thats brilliant</p><p>The OP says I'm a <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbynista</span></a> and you say I'm a <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Tory" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Tory</span></a></p><p>Would you care to comment on the data?<br>Data that shows <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Starmer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Starmer</span></a> is disliked, distrusted and only scores positive when compared to the crumbling, incompetent <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/tories" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>tories</span></a></p>
MutualityWSDEs<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@AnthonyFStevens" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>AnthonyFStevens</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodonapp.uk/@Stevenheywood" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Stevenheywood</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@OliverNoble" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>OliverNoble</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@benjamineskola" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>benjamineskola</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.nu/@Loukas" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Loukas</span></a></span> </p><p>If they challenge your position they are automatically an irreversible enemy - <a href="https://social.coop/tags/Corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbynista</span></a> far left extremists who must be condemned and cleansed from social life by your masterful command of 'the facts' which are actually highly biased narratives and interpretations of recent <a href="https://social.coop/tags/Labour" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Labour</span></a> party history.</p><p>/4</p>
Oli<p>The right wing of <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/labour" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>labour</span></a> are utterly obsessed with <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Corbyn" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbyn</span></a></p><p>Almost every thread seem to result in<br>"<a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Corbyn" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbyn</span></a>'s gone, was unelectable, get over it...."</p><p>This despite any comments criticising labour having no reference to Corbyn at all</p><p>Is there some deep insecurity or jealousy underlying this?</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/UKPol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>UKPol</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/UKPolitics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>UKPolitics</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbynista</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Starmerhoids" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Starmerhoids</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Starmeroids" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Starmeroids</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Starmerstans" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Starmerstans</span></a></p>
Oli<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@AnthonyFStevens" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>AnthonyFStevens</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@joshim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>joshim</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.coop/@MutualityWSDEs" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>MutualityWSDEs</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.social/@Judeet98" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Judeet98</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.nu/@Loukas" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Loukas</span></a></span> re private firms in the NHS</p><p>Action on day one is a silly concept<br>But I would expect <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/labour" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>labour</span></a> and <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/WesStreeting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WesStreeting</span></a> to start by not planning to *increase* the out-flow of resources from the <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/NHS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>NHS</span></a> to the private sector - </p><p> <br>And my concern isnt a "far-left", niche, <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Corbynista" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Corbynista</span></a> fetish - its a *majority* view among voters<br><a href="https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ournhs/three-quarters-of-uk-public-worried-more-nhs-privatisation-will-damage-care/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">opendemocracy.net/en/ournhs/th</span><span class="invisible">ree-quarters-of-uk-public-worried-more-nhs-privatisation-will-damage-care/</span></a></p><p>No surprise that private health interests<br> have " donated " to Wes and KS<br><a href="https://inwhoseinterests.uk/2022/06/08/hedge-fund-labour-why-is-the-party-of-the-nhs-now-receiving-money-from-private-health-investors/comment-page-1/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">inwhoseinterests.uk/2022/06/08</span><span class="invisible">/hedge-fund-labour-why-is-the-party-of-the-nhs-now-receiving-money-from-private-health-investors/comment-page-1/</span></a></p>
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