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@aral Again, I am really hoping Kolektiva refuses to federate with Meta/threads. Anything Meta is an automatic security hazard.
EDIT: I just got word that threads is "suspended" on Kolektiva.
https://fedipact.veganism.social/
THANK YOU!
How exactly? Federating with us won't give them access to your email address, real name or phone number. #Meta can't feed you adverts or force things into your timeline. If an account from there behaves in a way you don't like you can mute or block, just like here.
Did you know that #Threads are making #federation opt-in for their users, because some people are freaked about their posts escaping onto the #Fediverse.
Irrationality and panic is happening on both sides.
@mackaj @LukefromDC Both sides: people vs trillion-dollar surveillance capitalist.
Nice one! Goodbye.
@mackaj @LukefromDC @aral lmao actually that's bullshit. the terms of service state that by letting any threads users interact with your posts, and that includes viewing, you grant meta the right to collect data on you. doesn't sound very "opt-in" to me.
And what extra data can #Meta collect that they don't already have access to by browsing publicly available profiles and posts on an instance?
How are they going to identify who you are in order to link your Mastodon ID to their existing information on you?
Unless your admin sells them that information they can't get it just by being here.
@mackaj @LukefromDC @aral lol. lmao. an incredibly naive stance.
also just because they CAN get my data by manually crawling the instance doesn't mean i have to hand it up on a silver platter. you can bend over and spread your pre-lubed hole for facebook if you like but frankly i've got a bit more self respect than that.
So let's assume they collect and index all the posts they can find from "PsyChuan". What use is that to them?
They can't use it to drive targeted ads in the real world because they don't know who YOU are. It has no sale value either for the same reason.
These objections aren't logical.
@mackaj @LukefromDC @aral oh you don't know what kinda data collection facebook does, do you. i'm sorry, i didn't realise.
yeah they can absolutely use it to drive targetted advertising because they scrape the rest of the web and link profiles together. like that's exactly how they operate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_profile
you can learn more by googling "facebook shadow profiles" or "facebook data collection" or "facebook leak" or "facebook privacy problems"
:)
I know what shadow profiles are, and how they buy and share information from all over the web to build very complete profiles of people, even those who don't use their services.
They probably have a very extensive one on you (and me) already.
But again, how are they going to link PsyChuan — the Mastodon user — to all that information without a name, email address or telephone number to work with? Information that only your admin knows 
@mackaj @LukefromDC @aral thinking they only use account information to build these shadow profiles! again with the naivete! art, photographs, common talking points, friends, even my account name, if there're other sites that sell data. it's amazing how much info there is to find on someone, even just by googling their job, employer, and location, which they have in plain text in their bio.
but i'm sure it'll be fine. :)
@mackaj @PsyChuan @aral
This in fact is why I do not use the SMS mode of 2FA with any website and have always responded to a demand to "add a phone" by walking away from the account in question. I do not shop or bank online either, so no data from that direction. You can't with most 3ed party widgets blocked as on my setups anyway.
I love that we individually have the ability to do that on Mastodon, regardless of what our instance is doing.
PS. I notice that PsyChuan has blocked me now too. Oh well.
So @aral has decided to block with a comment that does nothing to explain why the points I raised are not valid 
@mackaj @LukefromDC @aral Do fedi users have or will have opt-in too?
There's a difference between per-user opt-in federation (which makes a lot of sense considering privacy) and blocking a single server.
That would be a good option for this particular use case. Maybe in the future Mastodon will add that.
